Summary of Stanley Meyer’s water for fuel technology by h2opower

This will be a compilation of all of my theories regarding how Stanley Meyer was able to utilized water as a fuel source. It focuses on Stanley Meyers water fuel injection system, answers most questions as to where does the energy come from, and shows the purpose of many items found in Stanley Meyer’s patent.
 

The Gas Processor

The Gas processor (GP) is the most important part of Stanley Meyers whole system coupled with the Electron Extraction Circuit(EEC) for without them you can have no Hydrogen Fracturing Process. The purpose of the GP is to raise the energy content of the whole reaction by stripping electrons from the incoming air supply by a corona discharge(Ion impact charging of the atoms). It is made to focus on the Oxygen atom in that the LEDs coherent light is chosen to match oxygen’s wave lengths and are used to bombard the oxygen atoms at the right wavelengths. The pulsing of the EEC and LEDs are the same and 180 degrees from that of the GP. Here are the ionization energy levels of oxygen: 
• 1st 1313.9 kJ/mol
• 2nd 3388.3 kJ/mol
• 3rd 5300.5 kJ/mol
• 4th 7469.2 kJ/mol
• 5th 10909.5 kJ/mol
• 6th 13326.5 kJ/mol
• 7th 71330.0 kJ/mol
• 8th 84078.0 kJ/mol
Now let us take a look at the reaction to break and form the water molecule under normal conditions. 
4 H-O 459 kJ/mol bonds are broken taking 1836 kJ/mol to do so.
2 H-H 436 kJ/mol bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 498 kJ/mol are formed yielding 1370 kJ/mol. 

This is why all scientist say it takes more energy to break the bonds of water than you get from combining them, for the net sum of the reaction is negative, 1370-1836 = -466 kJ/mol. 

Now the new reactions after the GP has stripped the electrons off of the oxygen atom are known as ionic reactions. Let’s take a look at the 1st energy level of 1313.9 kJ/mol.

The new reaction to form the water molecule 1st energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 1313.9 kJ/mol are formed yielding 2185.9 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is now positive 2185.9-1836 = +349.9 kJ/mol, so now we are getting more energy out than in. To give the energy level a bench mark for comparison the energy content of gasoline is +4864 kJ/mol. So only striping one electron off of the oxygen atom resulted in a positive energy level but still far behind that of gasoline.

Stanley Meyer said he stripped four electrons or more off of the oxygen atom so let us take a look at the reactions as told to us in the patent.
The new reaction to form the water molecule at the 4th energy level is as follows:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yielding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol
5th
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 10090.5 kJ/mol = 10962.5 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is 10962.5-1836= +9126.5 kJ/mol.
6th
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 13326.5 kJ/mol = 14198.5 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is 14198.5-1836= +12362.5 kJ/mol.
Now this is more than 2.54 times the energy content of that of gasoline, and gives a most probable answer to the question of, “How did Stanley Meyer run his 1.6L engine with an hho production rate of only 7L/min.?” For you still have two more electrons to strip off.

Another question some might have at this stage. “Why doesn’t the GP make Ozone?” That is the job of the Electron Extraction Circuit(EEC). The gas speeds inside of the GP and the proximity to the EEC’s positive screen mesh grid doesn’t give the freshly stripped electrons a chance to form ozone by consuming them in the form of heat. The unstable oxygen atoms will have a positive charge and will be unable to stabilize for at least 0.74 seconds. That may sound like a short time but the gas speeds inside of an engines intake system are very fast. What the gas speeds are I will leave for the reader to calculate. Without the EEC the GP will only produce mostly ozone, though ozone does have a higher energy content than normal oxygen atoms it also will oxidize just about anything it comes into contact with.
 

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Non-sequential ionization

When the fact that the electric field of light is an alternating electric field is combined with tunnel ionization, the phenomenon of non-sequential ionization emerges. An electron that tunnels out from an atom or molecule may be sent right back in by the alternating field, at which point it can either recombine with the atom or molecule and release any excess energy, or it also has the chance to further ionize the atom or molecule through high energy collisions. This additional ionization is referred to as non-sequential ionization for two reasons: one, there is no order to how the second electron is removed, and two, an atom or molecule with a +2 charge can be created straight from an atom or molecule with a neutral charge, so the integer charges are not sequential. Non-sequential ionization is often studied at lower laser-field intensities, since most ionization events are sequential when the ionization rate is high.Now let us look at what is said in the patent:

Thermal Explosive Energy

Exposing the expelling "laser-primed" and "electrically charged" combustible gas ions (exiting from
Gas Resonant Cavity) to a thermal-spark or heat-zone causes thermal gas-ignition, releasing thermal
explosive energy (gmt) beyond the Gas-Flame Stage, as illustrated in Figure (1-19) as to (1-18). { What this is saying is the mixture can be either spark or heat ignited to set off the reaction.}
Thermal Atomic interaction (gmt) is caused when the combustible gas ions (from water) fail to
unite or form a Covalent Link-up or Covalent Bond between the water molecule atoms. as
illustrated in Figure (1-19). The oxygen atom having less than four covalent electrons (Electron
Extraction Process) is unable to reach "Stable-State" (six to eight covalent electrons required) when
the two hydrogen atoms seeks to form the water molecule during thermal gas ignition. { This is saying that Meyer stripped the oxygen atom to its' 4th ionization energy level of 7469.2 kJ/mol or less than the 4th energy level. Why because the oxygen atom has eight electrons in its' outer orbit.}
The absorbed Laser energy (Va. Vb and V c) weakens the "Electrical Bond" between the orbital
electrons and the nucleus of the atoms; while, at the same time, electrical attraction-force (qq'),
being stronger than "Normal" due to the lack of covalent electrons. "Locks Onto" and "Keeps" the
hydrogen electrons. These “abnormal” or “unstable” conditions cause the combustible gas ions to
over compensate and breakdown into thermal explosive energy (gmt). { What this part is saying is that these primed oxygen atoms have enough energy to break the water down and re-react with them with more energy yield than just the hydrogen/oxygen reaction in air alone. Plus tells that the photonic energy is also stripping electrons from the oxygen atom.} This Atomic Thermal Interaction between highly energized combustible gas ions is hereinafter called "The Hydrogen Fracturing Process."
By simply attenuating or varying voltage amplitude in direct relationship to voltage pulse-rate
determines Atomic Power-Yield under controlled state. { This part is telling us that by simply raising/lowering the voltage we can control the power output of the reaction, and he went and grouped terms again.}

Also in the patent:
The Hydrogen Fracturing Process dissociates the water molecule
by way of voltage stimulation, ionizes the combustible gases by
electron ejection and, then, prevents the formation of the water
molecule during thermal gas ignition ... releasing thermal
explosive energy beyond "normal" gas burning levels under
control state ... and the atomic energy process is environmentally
safe.

Abstract of WO9222679
An injector system comprising an improved 
method and apparatus useful in the production of
a hydrogen containing fuel gas from water in a
process in which the dielectric property of water
and/or a mixture of water and other components
determines a resonate condition that produces a
breakdown of the atomic bonding of atoms in the
water molecule. The injector delivers a mixture of
water mist(1), ionized gases(2), and non-
combustible gas(3) to a zone or locus(5) within
which the breakdown process leading to the
release of elemental hydrogen from the water
molecules occurs. {This is giving us the formula needed to break down water into its elemental forms hydrogen and oxygen with just the Gas Processor, water fuel injector, and a spark ignition or high heat ignition from a high compression type engine16:1 or higher. The need of the firestorm type spark plug is a must so that it makes sure the reaction occurs, that would be considered the locus. That formula is: water mist, ionized gases, noncombustible gas, and spark or heat ignition.}
 

The water fuel injectors

The water fuel injectors create micro-mini capacitors out of water by passing the atomized water mist through a high voltage zone. After careful study of the water fuel injector I found out that the inside electrode is surrounded by a column of air at 125 psi so the water mist never comes into direct contact with the center electrode.

How you get voltage to perform work is by physically changing the area, thus changing the charge surface density. This is very important information to know when it comes to understanding how Stanley Meyer got the some of the water mist to break down into hydrogen and oxygen. As the highly charged water mist mixes with the unstable oxygen atoms and recirculated exhaust gases it evaporates, thus changing the surface area allowing voltage to perform work on the water molecule. In a way he set a condition that caused the water molecules to short circuit. This is made possible due to the properties of water being that water is a dielectric liquid. Remember the relaxation time for water is є/σ< 10-6 seconds and for air є/σ> 10 seconds giving the water plenty of time to evaporate while still retaining its induced image charges from the injectors high voltage zone. The water mist is given a negative charge as a result.

 

Steam Resonator

The Steam Resonators job is to heat the water up to around 90 degrees C or more so that when the water is injected into the engine in vacuum conditions it immediately turns into vapor(not steam) thus aiding the water to evaporate faster, allowing voltage to perform work on the water molecules more readily. The Steam Resonators works much the same as a microwave oven by making the water molecules dipoles switch back and forth causing inter molecular friction.

 

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 03-06-2009, 12:21 AM

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con't of the post above

The VIC Transformers

There are two types of VIC transformers
Taken from the SMTB: 

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Voltage Intensifier Circuit (60) of Figure (3-22) (Memo WFC 422 DA) as to Figure (1-1)
(Memo WFC 420) and Voltage Intensifier Circuit (620) of Figure (7-1) are specifically designed to
restrict amp flow during Programmable Pulsing Operations (49a xxx 49n) but in different
operational modes: (1) VIC voltage circuit (60) utilizes copper wire-wrap to form Resonant Charging
Chokes (56/62) of Figure (3-22) in conjunction with Switching Diode (55) to encourage and make
use of "Electron Bounce" phenomena (700) of Figure (7-9) to help promote Step Charging Effect
(628) of Figure (7-7) by preventing electrical discharge of Resonant Cavity (140 - 170) since
Blocking Diode functions as an "Open" switch during Pulse Off-time; whereas, (2) VIC Voltage
Enhancement Circuit (VIC - VB) (620) of Figure (7-1) incorporates the use of stainless steel wirewrap
coils (614/615) to accomplish the formation of unipolar gated pulse-wave (64a xxx T3 xxx
64n) without experiencing "signal distortion" or "signal degradation" (preventing transformer
ringing during signal propagation) as elevated voltage levels ( - xx Vc- xx Vd - xx Vn) while
allowing the reduction of Capacitor-Gap (Cp) (616) of Figure (7-11) width spacing (57 of Figure 3-
25 ~35 of Figure 6-2) (typically .060 - .010) respectively. as illustrated in Tubular Resonant Cavity
(170) as to Taper Resonant Cavity (620) of Figure (7-1).

Now it is clear that if the voltage zones are between 0.06-0.01 inches you need to use VIC number 2, if your voltage zones are higher than this VIC number 1 will work for you. 

Now the VIC transformer creates its high voltages by way of reactive capacitance, XC1 • XC2 • XC3,…, • XC42. These type of transformer do not make their high voltages like a typical step-up transformer does. All of the bobbin cavities have to match in inductance with the primary coil’s inductance for the desired frequency the user is aiming for. This way makes sure that all coils hit resonance at the same time. Since the primary has the strongest magnetic field it leads the way for all other magnetic fields to add to its magnetic field strength. 

The blocking diode stops the collapsing magnetic field from sending the voltage back to the secondary coil. It also doubles the voltage in the capacitor to that of the supply voltage from the secondary. The chokes limit current magnetically and also act as voltage multipliers the same way the secondary coil do. They also double the frequencies to the capacitors so what every frequency you are planning for make sure to cut that in half with designing your transformers. The current is out of phase by about 90 degrees lag time behind the voltage and that further limits the current flow so there is no arcing between voltage zones. As a result there is almost no signal degradation to the voltage zones.

Now the GP and EEC are the most important parts of Stanley Meyer’s patent for they can stand alone and improve any fuels energy output. And if you understand all of this you can make the system any way you like for it does not have to be made the way Stanley Meyer made it. Just follow the rules of what is needed to be done to make the reaction work. In the most basic sense what was done here was to make a controlled change to the environment inside of the intake system to one that is suitable for water combustion.

 
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 03-09-2009, 05:05 PM

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Injector purpose

Once again so I understand, the injectors purpose is to give the water mist a negative charge so that the positive oxygen can react with it? It's not necessarily producing HHO? The reaction happens upon ignition, correct? How does the injector give the mist a negative charge? The outer elctrode is mounted to the engine. Does the inner electrode have a hv positive charge? I guess the real question I should be asking is, is the injector necessary to make the reaction occur? It's been stated before with your calculations that the reaction can happen if there are enough electrons stripped from the oxygen.

Next question would be on delivery. My test that I'm planning doing will be on a 5 - 10 HP Briggs. Does the mixture need to be injected with 100 - 120 psi like SM stated? Can the mixture be metered in using the engines vacuum? If not what kind of displacement pumps and fast acting valves would be best? I was planning on taking the carb. and intake manifold off and fabricating a new intake with ports for the mixture. Is this a good approach?

 

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 03-09-2009, 05:18 PM

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OK

You are right h2o but you still missing one thing the current created by the ionization is huge so you can use it to split the water, you got it? Where you can harvest he energy in a resonant circuit? Do you know? If is a small R between the inductor and the capacitor if you have a big impedance in parallel with the capacitor. I'm working on this since 3 years ago but now we need investments, some money to construct the prototypes as it's not only about stainless steel and inductors there also especial catalysts to help split and keep the molecule apart. Any way the device for doing such thing is very big and so we got to get a better efficiency from the motor or we are just spent lots of energy on the conversion . so all we need to do is to use a compressor and a heat exchanger and use direct injection like diesel engines this way you recycle the heat lost by the engine arriving maybe 75% efficiency. this way we may need less gas for moving the motor. i need about 100.000 dollars to make some prototypes to com prove the theories. If you can help in any way offer profits sharing and obviously. Meyer estimated the 1500 dollars price because the cost of the parts when made in mass production cost 50 times less. So now if you want this to come out of papers you must have the money and the people who knows witch materials are right for the application. hope it helps

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Originally Posted by natone_m 

Once again so I understand, the injectors purpose is to give the water mist a negative charge so that the positive oxygen can react with it? It's not necessarily producing HHO? The reaction happens upon ignition, correct? How does the injector give the mist a negative charge? The outer elctrode is mounted to the engine. Does the inner electrode have a hv positive charge? I guess the real question I should be asking is, is the injector necessary to make the reaction occur? It's been stated before with your calculations that the reaction can happen if there are enough electrons stripped from the oxygen.

Next question would be on delivery. My test that I'm planning doing will be on a 5 - 10 HP Briggs. Does the mixture need to be injected with 100 - 120 psi like SM stated? Can the mixture be metered in using the engines vacuum? If not what kind of displacement pumps and fast acting valves would be best? I was planning on taking the carb. and intake manifold off and fabricating a new intake with ports for the mixture. Is this a good approach?

1st question: If you switch the injectors positive and negetive placements from this patent: Stanley Meyer: Water Electrolysis -- Canadian Patent # 2067735 -- Water Fule Injection System due to the outside (7a,7b) of the injector is connected to the head of the engine which is grounded. Then you have to look at where the water is being injected from which is 3a, 1a is for ionized gases, and 2a is for recirculated exhaust gases. Looking at this we can see that the air gases create a column of air all around the positive electrode(Meyer has it labed as negetive 8). The voltage zone is 7a/b and 8, and water being a dielectric liquid picks up an induced image charge from these voltage zones. Yes, I think this is nessasary despite my saying the water mist is being split by the unstable oxygen atoms. But the voltage given to the water molecule helps to break the water down also. If you ask me the voltage given to the water fuel injectors is set, and the voltage given to the Gas Processor is veryable keeping pace with the engines systems and needs. 

The error would be to take out the 1836 kJ/mol and add it back to the system in my math calculations and take the energy from what the injectors are taking to run and do their job of breaking down the water molecule. But the power of the system still comes form the Gas Processor none the less.

2nd question: All that has to be tested out I am affaid, for I don't have the answer to most of those questions. Does it have to be at 125 psi? Again not sure but mine are. I got my pump from here: Snow Performance: Home

Best of luck in you efforts,
 
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 03-09-2009, 06:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sebosfato 

You are right h2o but you still missing one thing the current created by the ionization is huge so you can use it to split the water, you got it? Where you can harvest he energy in a resonant circuit? Do you know? If is a small R between the inductor and the capacitor if you have a big impedance in parallel with the capacitor. I'm working on this since 3 years ago but now we need investments, some money to construct the prototypes as it's not only about stainless steel and inductors there also especial catalysts to help split and keep the molecule apart. Any way the device for doing such thing is very big and so we got to get a better efficiency from the motor or we are just spent lots of energy on the conversion . so all we need to do is to use a compressor and a heat exchanger and use direct injection like diesel engines this way you recycle the heat lost by the engine arriving maybe 75% efficiency. this way we may need less gas for moving the motor. i need about 100.000 dollars to make some prototypes to com prove the theories. If you can help in any way offer profits sharing and obviously. Meyer estimated the 1500 dollars price because the cost of the parts when made in mass production cost 50 times less. So now if you want this to come out of papers you must have the money and the people who knows witch materials are right for the application. hope it helps

The way I set all of this up I am not going to knock anyones ideas, for in all of my engineering classes many different design would be made at the end and all of them worked. That is the way I set up this summery of Stanley Meyer water fuel injector system to use water as a fuel source. So, best wishes to anyone giving this a try, for the rules have been set now all that has to be done is build it any way you see fit for the rules to work. Keep up the great work!

 
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I would like to make things clear for you guys. The bigger the press-ion inside the motor the greatest the efficiency, yes, is all about turbo charge and superchargers but there is something else, if you want to use the water fuel injectors you must find a way for modulating the speed of hydrogen also, and the best way to do it is like they do on diesel engines direct injection, the combustible is injected after the compressional stage together with superheated air and recycled exhaust gases, and this way is much easy to softer the explosion. Do you know Paul Pantone? When the super heated combustion byproduct pass throw the tube it brings away from the hot part the electrons. Inside there is another tube witch the air goes in opposite direction and super heat and lose electrons. The pressure for the diesel engines for atomize the diesel is around 2000 bars, I believe depending on witch motor are you using (gasoline) +-250 psi should work (I'm not sure yet) you have to know exactly how much pressure you have at compressional stage and them use 2 x or more times as such that you can put the fuel mist inside, the pressure for it to work depends. The power comes from the gas processor from the heat recycled and also from the water. Many work to do. Accordingly with what I said seems that meyer used the injector in parallel to the air processor to harvest its power, so the motor could be part of the gas processor or maybe not. If the motor is the injector ground but than would be difficult to handle the high voltage every where just food for thought.

I have a question for you h2o power how did you made your coils? i'm asking about the white material what is its q factor? stray capacitance ...? i'm designing very high Q ones, and i tried pll design but i thought about using only white noise to control the cell. what do you use as the signal generator? 

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 03-09-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sebosfato 

I would like to make things clear for you guys. The bigger the press-ion inside the motor the greatest the efficiency, yes, is all about turbo charge and superchargers but there is something else, if you want to use the water fuel injectors you must find a way for modulating the speed of hydrogen also, and the best way to do it is like they do on diesel engines direct injection, the combustible is injected after the compressional stage together with superheated air and recycled exhaust gases, and this way is much easy to softer the explosion. Do you know Paul Pantone? When the super heated combustion byproduct pass throw the tube it brings away from the hot part the electrons. Inside there is another tube witch the air goes in opposite direction and super heat and lose electrons. The pressure for the diesel engines for atomize the diesel is around 2000 bars, I believe depending on witch motor are you using (gasoline) +-250 psi should work (I'm not sure yet) you have to know exactly how much pressure you have at compressional stage and them use 2 x or more times as such that you can put the fuel mist inside, the pressure for it to work depends. The power comes from the gas processor from the heat recycled and also from the water. Many work to do. Accordingly with what I said seems that meyer used the injector in parallel to the air processor to harvest its power, so the motor could be part of the gas processor or maybe not. If the motor is the injector ground but than would be difficult to handle the high voltage every where just food for thought.

I have a question for you h2o power how did you made your coils? i'm asking about the white material what is its q factor? stray capacitance ...? i'm designing very high Q ones, and i tried pll design but i thought about using only white noise to control the cell. what do you use as the signal generator? 

Best regards

Hi,

I made them from delrin, was going to use nylon but saw no need for it when I made my calculations, and I think it was 400 volts per mil or more. I use a Dr. Dingel type signal genarator that was on the web some years back it made use of the 40106 chip. 

Now your use of a diesel engine is great for you should need a spark to set off the reaction, for a heat ignition source can also be used. For the rapid rate of compressed air will heat it up to 500 degrees C or more, but hydrogen will flash burn at 500 degrees C, and do so with all of the other mixed gases you put in with it. There are many ways to do this, that is why I set it up like there for there is no, only one way, there are many ways to get the job done. All one must do is obey the rules and the rules say we must have, Charged atomized water mist, Oxygen atoms missing electrons, and Recirculated exhaust gases Once those are solved you should have a working unit. Meyer put all three in one injector but that is not the only way to get the job done, for your way should also work well 

That is why I told the information the way I did, so everyone of us are like the individual teams in my engineering classes. For just about all of us would have working models at test time. Good luck to everyone and every team giving this a try, for in the end we all win